Actually, the only problem we have is with the occasional slimeball who abuses the guest privelege. I am inclined in the direction of doing it the Mudcat way -- we'll just out-create the suckers. We can handle jerks either through an excess of humour or a little compassion or just unleashing Spaw on them. Maybe we should roll along with the open approach and continue to deal with the deeveiates on a case by case basis.A