why is this still going?

as far as my comments about thread title, I didn't SAY I was 'complaining'.... all I tried to say was that you 'loaded' the title with inflammitory phrasing , and even using Cohen's article title would have been both confusing AND irrelevant to asking what you eventually got around to asking. You are letting your quest to make everyone respond exactly to your phrasing and emphasis interfere with getting reasoned responses.

You don't accomplish much by trying to back those who seem to disagree with you into semantic corners and tossing sarcastic remarks at me.. to wit:
"Or are conservatives something less than human,...." ...answer: no, just less than humane in their rhetoric sometimes...*wry grin*

I am not going to try to unravel this convoluted bit of overlapping, embedded issues any longer. It takes too long to write anything of value now.