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Thread #91654   Message #1748639
Posted By: Haruo
27-May-06 - 03:35 PM
Thread Name: BS: Julius Caesar/Jesus - fact or fiction?
Subject: RE: BS: Julius Caesar/Jesus - fact or fiction?
(1)I never said Constantine invented Jesus Christ. As for who actually did, we'd have to go back to Josephus himself and his family. They were the Flavians with the Jewish connections. They had the most to lose by the Jewish revolts against the empire.

(2)Well, we know the Jesus quote everybody resorts to prove Josephus wrote about him was forged. But, yes, certainly more would have likely been tampered with.
Ron and I have been asking for some sort of specificity about the "royals" you allege invented (or perhaps historicized?) Jesus, and you have been singularly unforthcoming on that point. But the quote (1) above suggests it was not so much "royals" as "Flavians" you are fingering, and much closer to the time of both Jesus and Josephus than most of your hints on the subject have suggested. So, let me try again. Who are these royals and what period do you allege they were operating in?

(2)Again your flair for the exaggerated (I note you came to atheism through reading atheist tracts, and this is the style of tracts): "everybody" does not cite the Josephus "testimony"; in fact, hardly anybody does, because as usually found it is so implausible in Josephus and so plausible as a later, and clumsy, insertion. But for the less monkish version of the quote, from the Arabic source cited by Shlomo Pines in the 1970s, you have provided no serious refutation, merely the unproven statement that it too must be based on Eusebius.

As for why I continue to engage in this thread, it's because I (like you) find it hard to watch people (you in my case) assert falsehoods without attempting to correct them, and also because I enjoy watching others' attempts in the same vein, and not least because every once in a while I think of a witty saying that I just have to put online. I also, as a Christian, am fascinated by the evangelical fervor of a certain kind of atheist. I used to hang out on "The Godless Zone" for the same kind of fun, but that was long ago when I had much more time to kill.

Haruo