Well, sorry, Sori, if you got a bit tweaked at a touch of levity further upstream, but let's face it, the subject of this thread has been cussed and discussed so many times here on Mudcat—and other places—that large numbers of people, including myself, get bored spitless with it. Been there, done that, again and again and again and yet again. Right now there is another thread (at least one) extant on essentially the same subject. There have been dozens in the past and there will be an infinite number in the future, no doubt.

And these discussions never go anywhere because they're about faith and belief. Early on in the discussion, more than likely in the first post, you start trampling on someone's cherished beliefs and since they can't really defend them—any more than you can support your position—it ceases to be a discussion and turns into a pissing contest. You're not going to change anyone's mind. Okay, if you like the exercise of arguing about the subject, then go right ahead. But don't think it's ever actually going to accomplish anything.

Don Firth