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Thread #91881   Message #1751184
Posted By: freda underhill
01-Jun-06 - 03:28 PM
Thread Name: BS: No Gun Ni, Mi Lai, Haditha....
Subject: RE: BS: No Gun Ni, Mi Lai, Haditha....
That emphasis on liberals as the source of all evil is an American thing, BB. It's interesting that in Oz, our conservative party (and its very conservative) is called the Liberal Party. and while I said the British army have created a reputation for being ethical in Iraq, they have a different history in other countries (see the wind that shakes the barley). However it is also remarkable that the British walked out of India without a fight - they created history by accepting a negotiation to give up power.

I don't accept that "liberals" established the precedent that a group is exempt from responsibility for their actions, if they are "politically correct" - it is far more likely that groups are exempt from the responsibilities of their actions if they are in government or if they have a lot of money. it is "liberals" or human right activists from many sides of politics who evolved the notion of human rights.

you may be interested in reading the Euston Manifesto.

This manifesto is put together by a bunch of lefties in the UK. It states a number of principles that you may strongly disagree with, but also decries anti-democratic and reactionary regimes that oppress their own peoples and movements that aspire to do so. "We draw a firm line between ourselves and those left-liberal voices today quick to offer an apologetic explanation for such political forces."

It also comments: We reject the double standards with which much self-proclaimed progressive opinion now operates, finding lesser (though all too real) violations of human rights which are closer to home, or are the responsibility of certain disfavoured governments, more deplorable than other violations that are flagrantly worse. We reject, also, the cultural relativist view according to which these basic human rights are not appropriate for certain nations or peoples. The manifesto also takes an opinion on Israel and the US that would please you. What it seems to be about, from my quick reading of it - is moving away from blame towards responsibility - and solutions.

freda