Sure there's a failure of the police - without warning, shooting an unarmed man who's offered no resistance (in fact, who hasn't had time to offer resistance) sounds a helluva lot like failure to me. Their sister says that she thought they were armed robbers and they were all going to be murdered - it wasn't until she had been dragged out of the house that she knew they were police.

In other words, we're talking disproportionate response.

Thank god that at least they've learnt not to lie about what happened since de Menezes was killed, since lying always gets found out.

Graham.