Sometimes I wonder why we debate these things on the Mudcat. Folks already have made up their minds. Are we expecting that someone with conservative viewpoints will read a liberals posts, slap their forehead and exclaim "Oh my God - I've been wrong all this time". Or is it possible that a conservative viewpoint expressed here will suddenly make a liberal stand up and say - "I've had my eyes opened up - George Bush is the best thing that ever happened to this country".

Folks don't come to the Mudcat BS section for V-8 moments. We come here to expound views that we already have and are very unlikly to change. Or we come here just to try to piss people off.