The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #72319   Message #1764090
Posted By: Bill D
19-Jun-06 - 07:12 PM
Thread Name: BS: Matter and Spirit
Subject: RE: BS: Matter and Spirit
"Your belief that there is no soul is just as subjective and arbitrary as any other opinion out there about the matter. It is not based on evidence, it's based on an emotional predisposition on your part."

sorry, LH...that simply is not how it works. First, I do ***NOT**** "believe there is no soul"...I doubt! That is, none of the claims and/or reasons FOR the notion feel solid and convincing. It is too important a concept to just nod and say "sure, that sounds nice" And my doubt is not "subjective and arbitrary"....it is based on 50 years of evaluating many, many ideas, claims, definitions, arguments, and supposed 'proofs'.

You say I'd have to have lived all of your life to understand why you DO believe. No doubt that is true. At some point you 'had experiences' that led you from doubt to acceptance....but I venture that those experiences required interpretation and contemplation; both of which are subject to ...ummmmmm...subjectivity. It's not like you have pictures and recordings and artifacts to pass around.

Stuff happens to us at times...sometimes very intense stuff. I have NO doubt that you have had such experiences....I just can't base my opinions on your experiences.

I have had intense, clear dreams that made me wonder about what my 'mind' conjured up....but I know many ways to explain them that does NOT require positing para-normal phenomena which I can't repeat.
I am in awe of what the complexity of the brain/mind can do, but I see regularly new 'scientific' explanations of how it can happen, and I seem to see a trend...*smile*....I don't want to detract from the experiences of others, but I can't...so far... see how they affect ME.