Bonnie, I apologise for any huffiness that make have come through inadvertently. Mel was apparently a very controversial person in later times, but as I said I didn't know him then. Some people who did have very strong feelings against him, I gather (I've read some of the websites and threads on the subject), and mention of his name sometimes brings out arguments. I remember Mel as a friend and mentor who gave me a lot, his wife Sophie who fed me, and Obray and his siblings, who were quite small at the time. I also got to know the man Obray is named after, and I still correspond a little with that family.