shambles, the way the forum does largely work to the way these people want. The editing, closure and deleting features that Mudcat has displease YOU, not them.

The difference is that I and many others - are prepared to accept the limitations of a forum that is open to the public. And accept that they will not see things only to their taste from like-minded people.

I do not expect those who I may have a difference of opinions on to be banned and publicly call for this - as if such a thing will solve all problems. As it is more than possible to simply ignore posts that are not to your taste.

I suspect that 'these people' are may only be pleased with the 'editing, closure and deleting features' to the extent that it is me and other posters who are subject to them and 'these people' (currently) are not.

As for our forum working as 'these people' want - from their constant moaning and scapegoating and requests for more and more restrictions to be imposed on others - it would be difficult to tell 'these people' were content - as you maintain they are.

But as I maintain - no poster will be ever be able to an informed opinion on the true nature and level of censorship if it is the sinister sounding 'silent deletion'.

All that is required on our forum - is not one of (a few select) like-minded people - but a return to an open and fair structure which with no fuss or judgement - simply keeps out of the way and enables posters to be seen to agree to disagree. And if 'these people' do not like Max's model - they are always free to form their own private members club.