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Thread #93166   Message #1794615
Posted By: Little Hawk
27-Jul-06 - 11:44 AM
Thread Name: BS: Why can't Arab nations unite ?
Subject: RE: BS: Why can't Arab nations unite ?
You're entirely wrong in your assumption, Number 6. When you said:

"LH .... It wasn't arrragance that you saw in the The First Nations people, it was people who showed a cold shoulder directly to you. They couldn't take any more of your dogmatic rants anymore."

You weren't there. I did not get "the cold shoulder". I got along very well with most of the Shoshones, Cherokees, Chippewas, and other Native people I spent time among, because I was part of the group. I was totally respectful at all times, totally cooperative, and accordingly I got along well with them. I was pretty shy in those days, certainly not so outspoken as I am on this forum. I just sang songs a lot, and people liked that. This was mostly in the 70's, the 80's, and the early 90's. I do not recall getting the cold shoulder from any Native people at all, except for one crabby individual who ran a mocassin and craft shop in Toronto, and I think he must have been having a bad day (anyway, he didn't know me at all. He'd only just met me).

No, my friend, what I observed was the way outsiders and newcomers were treated by the Native groups I was among. What I noticed was certain assumptions that underlay the "attitude". I noticed the tendency in people to assume an attitude of martyrdom, and to look for offence (from outsiders or from the main body of society) where offence was neither given nor intended. I noticed the tendency to assume that those in our little group were innately morally superior to the whole rest of society. (and I remember that same arrogance in young "hippies" as a matter of fact...toward "straights")

I saw so much gossiping, backstabbing, and infighting among the Native leadership that it sapped the energies of people and destroyed the effectiveness of community.

The Medicine person I was around the most was Rolling Thunder...an unusual fellow. He claimed to be Cherokee. Some of his detractors have said he wasn't Native at all. (smile) Well, I think he probably was part Native all right, but I'm not in a position to say...his wife was full-blood Shoshone. Rolling Thunder complimented me more than once for "making no trouble". He said I was the only white person who had ever come to his camp and caused absolutely no trouble whatsoever. He definitely liked me.

And that's a fact.

So your theory doesn't wash.

Do you deny that formerly oppressed people can become arrogant about themselves once radicalized by popular political slogans? Have you ever noticed the attitude of black rappers lately and that whole "gangsta" schtick they have going? What could be more antisocial than that? That's what happens when people grow up with a chip on their shoulders and blame the whole larger society for everything that goes wrong in their lives, through their own bad decisions and behaviour. Think about it.