Yes Randy, for somebody's sins, (people are still arguing whether its their's or ours or yours or mine or Max's or Bill Gate's) they are both members. Joe Offer does useful things on the Mudcat and Spaw has a possum shaped instrument with the blowhole placed where no gentleman would ever dream of blowing. Check back a while into the Mudcat Tavern threads and you'll get the gist of it, or just continue to read and hang out and you'll understand as well. Don't hesitate to ask questions, people usually answer.