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Thread #94506   Message #1834741
Posted By: robomatic
14-Sep-06 - 06:10 PM
Thread Name: BS: Monsey's (non) Kosher Chicken Crisis
Subject: RE: BS: Monsey's (non) Kosher Chicken Crisis
GUEST, Grose:

Your answer is totally understandable, if you want to maintain the tautology that predictions that have not yet come true are unproven and predictions that have come true are proven. In this way you can justify yourself but you haven't proven anything. In order for something to be truly scientifically 'true' there must be an accepted way to 'disprove' it. This is NOT the case with predictions, be they biblical or be they Nostradamus or some other high caste charlatan.

As for Darwin, thank you for following up on the link, but I think you may possibly have only read enough of the full quote as you agree with. Darwin was making the point that nature (or, if you wish, God acting through nature) has produced some astonishing products which it is hard to understand as developing through evolutionary means. But as our knowledge and our understanding increase over time, we may achieve that understanding that indeed in what we call primitive creatures, there are some cells that are sensitive to light, and over time these useful assemblies of cells become more and more complex. You make a common error when you use the phrase: the eye having "fallen into place" correctly with all connections exactly the way it should be. The Theory of Natural Selection is strictly about how nature works to change living creatures over time based on which survives and reproduces. There is no set destination, and indeed there are many 'eyes' that work that do not remotely resemble our eyes, for example, arthropod eyes. Similar arguments have been made over the development of bird wings, or for that matter, the chemical process of photosynthesis. But what can't be denied is the fact of evolution itself. There are critters from millions of years ago that aren't around now, and there are creatures around now, such as you and me, who weren't around ten million years ago. And there are obvious structural and behavioral similarities between families of creatures. And if God was doing the design work, why'd He do such a poor job with the appendix, conjoined and deformed babies, and the prostate?

Einstein came out with really neat ideas, a lot of which are still accepted, but he by no means answered all possible questions, and he made no progress with Quantum Theory, which is still accepted theory but doesn't dovetail with relativity. If it suits you to mix in your religious understanding with 'true' science, by all means, but it is no different than believing that numerology can tell you how to invest in the stock market or bet on the horses.