Sorry Bruce, misunderstanding then. When you say that the perception is true I take it to mean that what these people think is in fact the truth. Easy mistake to make. I guess you mean that it is true that we have those perceptions then?

In which case I go back to my original statement that it is education that is required, not more rhetoric. If we remove these western perceptions, by education, do you think we would, hopefuly, get on better?

I have lost track of your argument a little I'm afraid. Are you saying that most of the west is decedent and imperialistic? If so are the Moslems right in trying to rid themselves of us?

Like I said before I think not myself but if you can provide evidence to the contrary I will happily consider it.

Cheers

DtG