The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #94165   Message #1837965
Posted By: Old Guy
19-Sep-06 - 12:15 AM
Thread Name: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
Here is an example of how DF plays games with questions and answers:

Mr. Guy--

What about "slavery" and exploitation of illegal immigrants? Are you in favor of a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants or not?

Just a yes or no will suffice.


The first question assumes that illegal immigrants are being exploited and enslaved. Then I am told to give a yes or no answer to a "what about" question. That is illogical.

The second question pretty simple but it calls amnesty "a path to citizen ship". To forgive someone for doing something illegal is amnesty

amnesty: in law, exemption from prosecution for criminal action. It signifies forgiveness and the forgetting of past actions.

So I answer:

I am for legal immigration and against illegal immigration and amnesty for illegal emigrants.

The Mr DF responds:
Mr. Guy--

You're dodging the question, in classic Bushite fashion. I'm talking about the illegal immigrants already here (estimated 12 million). Path to citizenship for them or not?

Yes or no?


He has made snide accusations, changed the question and accused me of not answering it.

Then he has to add to it again:

And without being forced to leave the US first. If that is a condition, they'll never come out of the shadows. (In their place, I wouldn't either).

So I answer:

Can you grasp this statement?:"against illegal immigration and amnesty for illegal emigrants". Does "Path to citizenship"=Amnesty?

If the current administration, GWB, would enforce the law that says you cannot employ illegal immigrants. They would have to come out of the shadows, leave and enter legally.

I don't expect people that are doing something illegal to suddenly stop doing it.


Then because he does not like my straightforward answers he has to add more snide accusations, demands more answers and brings the Gestapo into it:

How do you propose to toss out 12 million out? I thought you were a "conservative"--against big government? So it seems you're a hypocrite on this too. Fascinating.

To get all the 12 million out, you'd need to expand the Customs Service dramatically---and possibly have informants--a la Gestapo.

Sounds like your philosophy, all right.


I had already said that if the illegals cannot find work they will have to leave and re enter legally.

I have answered the question but it is obvious that RD keeps making snide accusation, whining, changing, adding to and demanding different answers so he can claim the question was not answered.

Meanwhile he completely avoids answering the Asplundh question and the question of why the treshold for the Walmart bill was set at 10,000.