Amos, your example is weak. The fact alone that Little Hawk considers it excellent should be a warning signal. So you know at least one instance where people have dismissed wrongly a perception. Good for you. What does it tell us? Nothing. I could give you a dozen examples where people dismissed a perception correctl or where people acted upon a perception which turned out to be wrong.

Would that be a good argument? Of course not. And even if we tried to better the quantity of examples of the respective other with success it still would not be a good argument.

So lets agree that historically there have been examples where people have erred in trusting their perception and tzhat there have been examples where people hvae erred not trusting their perception. OK? Then we do not need quoting these examples as if they were good examples (appealing as they may be to the Little Hawks).

The valid way of arguing is to try to make athe point why one of these two erros is more likely here.

Wolfgang (in a bad mood for having read too many stupid Shambles' posts)