You're quite right, Ebbie. (your post of 12 Oct 06 - 11:57 AM)   When people commit suicide they are trying to deal with their own pain, but they are demonstrating that they don't have a very keen awareness of the pain they may inflict on others by going out in that fashion.

I have personally known 2 young men who committed suicide. Oddly enough, they were twin brothers. One killed himself over a breakup with a girl. The second one killed himself over a breakup with the same girl about a year later.

As for young women, I knew two who managed to greatly shorten their lives through abusing themselves with alcohol, drugs, and anything else they could manage until it finally killed them. They both clearly did not want to be in this world, but rather than killing themselves in an active fashion they chose to do it very gradually in a passive fashion by causing their health to break down. It was suicide, in truth, but not what people would normally call suicide, because it didn't happen in one day, but over a period of ten years or more. I've known a lot of men who killed themselves that way, usually with alcohol.

So it looks like the men again outnumber the women.