And while we are on the subject, we keep hearing Bush say that the goal in Iraq is "victory"??? Like what would constitute a victory???

I mean, the goal posts have been moved so many times that the word "victory" has become completely meaningless other than to mobilize very stupid people to vote for Repubs...

Yeah, maybe the Oldster would like to take a stab at defining "victory"??? That oughtta be interestin'...