ard mhacha - I had assumed that you had started this thread in good faith, but your last message (to Shields Folk) ("your country is going downhill rapidly") leads me to wonder if my ol' buddy Shields Folk isn't right after all, that maybe you did start this just to needle the English. I hope I'm wrong, 'cause if I have to apologize to Mr Folk, well, it won't be good for my self-esteem, let's put it that way ...