Are our solutions to these problems perfect? No, certainly not. Keeping the peace in a place like this is a messy job, and sometimes there are inconsistencies and mistakes. But we try to be honest and to do as well as we can.

-Joe Offer-

Can you explain what is honest about you being seen to ban two members for posting personal abuse but being seen in this thread to openly encourage others to post exactly the same thing?

I have noticed that when you assure our forum, using phrases like 'doing as well as we can' - this is usually an attempt to justify doing only what you want.

Whatever consequences may result to our forum and whoever is compromised in the process.

Most systems are judged on their results - not what are claimed to be their well-intented best efforts. Why should this system be any different?

Our forum really does deserve better than this. As the mess I see is the one you have largely created - which you openly criticise - refuse to take any resposibility for and for which you openly post to judge and blame everyone else for.

If your best efforts have failed - and in your 'for the record statement' you have admitted this - can you please move on and allow someone else who will accept some responsibilty for their actions to try a different approach?

One that is seen to be open and fair.
One that can be seen to protect everyone.
And one that all of our forum can support and will not continue to divide its posters.