IDIOT! Pressing return submits the message if the text box is not active. Where was I? Ah yes - Martin Gibson was about as genuine as the Rev Hohner Castagnari. Names are pretty meaningless here, although they do help establish an identity. There are some that make the heart sink (why am I thinking of Hull9 here?) and others who you know will be making a positive contribution. But, for 90 per cent of the stuff here it matters not a whit.