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Thread #98124 Message #1941017
Posted By: Slag
18-Jan-07 - 06:08 PM
Thread Name: BS: God's Dicey Cup
Subject: RE: BS: God's Dicey Cup
Chongo! Drinks around!
Funny you should mention bras LH. El Shaddai, translated "Almighty" into the English is literally (if I remember right) "The Nurishing One" or the "One Who Nurses". That should set a few minds to spinning!
BillD. I have to agree. And that is the American ideal: the freedom of conscience! We can choose to whom we listen and choose whom to tune out. I am no proponent of in-your-face religions. But by the same token if a public entity like a school is presenting a THEORY that challenges a legitimately held religious position then I would say put the BEST evidence or argument forward and let the debate air. That's what this thread is doing. And it's educational, I believe.
Science fascinates me. If I had been a little smaller in stature I would have been a geek for sure. Always being the biggest kid in class makes one an oddity of another kind, but I digress. Bill is also right that the "Leap of Faith" scenario demonstrates that our access to the spiritual realm is very limited, at least initially and that the interaction (not empirically provable) between these dimensions suffers the same limitations I was describing above about the brain.
One of the best illustrations I have seen involves the representation of a two dimensional world ( 3 when you include "time") using a sheet of paper with little beings drawn on it. Their limitation is length and width. They can't look up or down because there is no up or down. In fact "UP" or "DOWN" is unimaginable to them. Now, there ARE three dimensional beings and they are aware of the two dimensional beings, but how to interact with them. No matter what they do the perception will only exist in two dimensions. So a pointed pencil represents the three dimensional being and he enters the two dimensional world, point first and passes through it. The 2D (much easier than writing out "dimensional" all the time) guys see something extrordinairy and get the idea that there may be something beyond their kin after all but they have to take it on faith that it is real. This is their very limited access to another dimension. Scientist and their ilk have tapped into other dimensions via mathematics. They do not fully understand just what it is or where it is leading them but they push forward using the tools available and the power of reason to continue to light their way. Same is true of the spiritual realm. It is tapped by a faith of another sort. And Bill, it isn't necessairily for ones seeking a confortable coexistence with God. It can be a really rocky road and much more challanging than other path choices. And it's not for everyone. The Bible says that many are called but few are chosen. Judaism and Christianity are involved in what some call "Remnant Theology" where it is only the few and the faithful who are "Chosen". It's ironic in that all that is offered to anyone is offered to all (John 3:16 of which I'm sure you are probably familiar). That is the extent and the limitation of Christianity. We see Christ as God's ultimate expression of His Love and the limit to the length He will go to redeem that which was lost in the Fall. All sin is forgiven. All that remains is a choice to be made.