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Thread #98124   Message #1942667
Posted By: Grab
20-Jan-07 - 02:50 PM
Thread Name: BS: God's Dicey Cup
Subject: RE: BS: God's Dicey Cup
Slag, you're right in what you say about the Judeo-Christian God - it requires faith, because God isn't giving any clues. Hence Douglas Adams' babelfish argument - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babel_fish and scroll down a bit. Adams has obviously simplified the reasoning for comic effect, but the theology is absolutely accurate - if God proves his own existence then no faith is required and religion dies.

So again, God (or Gods; let's consider that this could be a collaborative venture) could have created the universe and the rules it runs by. But if we're to have faith in a God (or Gods), they have to have a 100% hands-off approach to the universe.

Which incidentally makes the Judao-Christian-Muslim church's belief in saints, miracles and divine intervention completely blasphemous. Oops. :-)

Oh, as for quantum...

the very act of us watching that electron changes the way it behaves in our presence

Nope. To take an everyday example, suppose we wanted to work out how much of our orange juice was water. The obvious way is to weigh it, heat it to boil off the water, weigh the dry residue and compare the two values. But what you're left with isn't orange juice any more, so the act of measuring has changed it. Right? But now suppose we leave a glass of orange juice in the sun (somewhere hot like Death Valley, say) and forget about it completely. The result's going to be the same, so it's the *action* that changes the substance being measured and not the measurement itself. In other words, it's what the equipment does to the electron that matters - whether there's anyone or anything watching what happens to it is immaterial.

So that's just another bit of pseudo-science bollocks. Nice bit of pot-stirring though, Amos. ;-)

Graham.