the only reason to ever engage in war is to save people from something worse...which is slaughter, rape, enslavement, starvation, and torture and disease, probably all simultaneously. Knowing what will happen in all possible situations is hard to call (lots of the present situation was not hard to call...it is hard to fathom why we didn't impose martial law..read my lips.... not democracy...as we went in and loosen the grip as quickly as possible). mg