Ok Peace, let's get to grips with some of your quotes.

1:" Nickhere, I would likely have more to say about Shin Bet than you have any right to know. I am beginning to think you get your info from a Frank Weltner website".

Peace, are you implying you are / were a member of Shin Bet? That's what it sounds like. At least it would explain your blind faith in Israeli good intentions. As for Frank wots-his-name, never heard of him or his website.
I see you do get some of your information from the < palestinefacts website >.... the website set up by the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs to give their spin to things. But that's ok, everyone's voice is entitled to be heard, isn't it?

2: "I am aware that Shin Bet has committed murders. I am also aware that the Muslims you so proudly speak on behalf of have committed murders too. You tend to want to gloss over that, and you were impolite enough not to respond the message I sent you leading me to figure you just play to the crowd"

Maybe you're backpedalling now, maybe you're with Mossad? Well, only you know, for the moment. Anyway, yes there are members of the IRA who should be put on trial, but in the end the people north and south voted and decided to let bygones by bygones and all crimes deemed to have been poliutical - which includes a large number of crimes by pro-British loyalists - go untried in the name of peace and progress. The difference is that unlike Palestine, there is an attempt to build a self-governing entity at least. Also interesting is that you always seem to qualify Israeli violence with either "Yes, but it's justified self-defence" or "yes, but what about MUSLIM violence?"

You are also mistaken in your belief that I speak 'proudly' for Arabs. Maybe you don't fully understand what I wrote in earlier posts - that in order to lecture Muslims on how to behave, we - the west - needs to be above fault itself. Israel is the main representative of the West in the Middle East.

I am impolite?? What message did you post that I did not respond to (not that there's much point in answering it now that you've gone into your room in sulk and refuse to speak to me)? Bear in mind also that I can't reply to everything, though as I'm sure you all know, I do my best. I have been slagged by Slag in the past for not being brief enough!


3: "If that were true, then you would spend as much time talking about the bad stuff done by the various terrorist organizations supported by various Muslim countries as y'all do about Israel's bad stuff. This "I want to balance the record" stuff looks and sounds like bullshit to me"

I was going to ask you what you meant by that. If you don't believe that LH or I or others criticise Israeli policy for the reasons we gave, then what do you believe our motivations to be? But i think you answered that already:

"However, I will address your anti-Isreal crap on this thread at any and every opportunity. Until such time as you understand that there are very few innocents left in the middle-East. Not Israel and certainly not any of the organizations you seem to speak for. Regardless how you phrase it all, you have a thinly-disguised hatred of Israel that masquerades as a love of your fellow man, and if you meant any of it you would extend that hatred for Israel to all the killers in the middle-East, including the countries whose stated policies of genocide you seem to be so comfortable with"

Anti-Israeli crap. Hatred of Israel. Ahhh, so now we get down to the nub of it. You think I am anti-semitic, don't you? You think, in spite of all I said about the need to have our own house in order first, that I'm simply anti-Israel, presumably because Jews live there.

That raises another question - even assuming what you think is true (and it isn't) where does that leave Jews who are critical of Israel (and there are quite a few)? Are they anti-semitic too? And where does that leave you? Since you have never been able to bring yourself to criticise Israel much without offering (to borrow from Teribus) 'lame-assed excuses' for their behaviour, and have rarely had a good word to say about the Arabs, then according to your own own criteria you are an anti-Arab racist, aren't you?

"But the people here who think that the Muslim countries who have sworn themselves to eradicate/exterminate the Israelis are on the side of right have their heads so far up their asses they should fuckin' choke"

OK, I think I've said this before, but just to be clear I'll write it in big letters to make it easier to read and understand:

I DO NOT THINK THAT IT'S ALRIGHT FOR MUSLIM COUNTRIES TO SWEAR TO EXTERMINATE THE ISRAELIS. I ABSOLUTELY DISGAREE WITH IT. NOR DO I BELIEVE IT'S OK TO BLOW YOURSELF UP ON A BUS FULL OF CIVILIANS OR FIRE A ROCKET INTO A CIVILIAN HOUSE. SO THAT'S THE MUSLIM SIDE. BUT I AM NOT A MUSLIM OR AN ARAB. I AM A 'WESTERNER' - ARE ONLY ARABS TO BE CONDEMNED?

Now, in smaller letters - Peace, when are you going to bring yourself to condemn what Israel is doing in the West Bank that's in contravention of the 4th Geneva Convention, Article 49, Hague Resolutions, UN Resolutions 242, 338 etc., etc., and please spare me the bulls**t of saying "Yes, but the OTHER side must respect theire resolutions first!"

And if you don't understand that, let's put it another way:

Q: Do you think that Israel's policies in colonising the West Bank in contravention of International Law and with the resulting disposession and murder of the the native Palestinian people is acceptable?

Q2: Do you think that this policy has any effect on the levels of violence and tension in the middle east?

Q3: Since you believe (as I do) in the right of the Jewish people to have a place to call home and lay their hat, do you also believe in the right of the West Bank and Gazan Palestinians to a Palestinian state?
(Israel was created by drawing a pen around a map. The same can be done for the Palestinians)

So you say we have nothing to talk about and you won't talk to me anymore, but you'll respond to any of my posts that don't say the sun shines out of Israel's ass. That sounds like we'll be doing a lot more talking so in the future.