all the bickering really brasses me off it is really pointless and divisive, however tight the "spec." of the genre, and even then there are fuzzy edges, what really matters is the community involved in making music and singing. I know what I like and I know what i don't like, I hate dried fruit and positively baulk at a scone full of them but where the hell can you get them without, only a few places. Music is the same, and like scones it is economies of scale and its "who's bums on what seats". What labelling might do is point people in a direction that they would not normally go and there are gems out there and fair play to people who flag them up but part of that process also involves people not sharing their enthusiasm for that body of work that doesn't give a licence for those people to denigrate it because it is not to their taste, it might be the best scone in the world but if it has currents in it I will not eat it but I won't say it is a pile of crap. Oh rambled a bit, maybe their ought to be a thread assessing work and, with all the knowledge of the mudcatters experience, positive feedback on what venues might be open or appreciate the type of music flagged up.