I can't be arsed to read the thread but I know that my two mates Prof Ron and Fiddler Martin (aka Top Tup and Tawd Tup)would take issue with the "scruffy" tag, to Ron casual is a short sleeved shirt, neatly pressed of course, Martin is fairly similiar, as for myself, I look scruffy suited n booted (Paul Smith!) I think it might have a lot to do with their not being much money plying ones trade, sleeping in the back of a volvo estate with 200k+ miles on the clock has not been unknown ( quiz- find the the folk performer who owns a volvo [still running!,that is the car!] with one of highest mileage recorded for a volvo estate?)