Well, well, well...

Here we go again... I, as well as Bill, have tried to open up some kind of discussion about whether or not we are collectively safer with the proliferation of *****primarially handguns*** and we get attacked by folks who thing we are saying, "We want to take all your guns away"???

Like for the 15,000th time, can you gunnies get a friggin' reading comprehension course under you belt that allows you to not hear "We want to take you guns" every danged time anyone says "Can we talk???"

Talk about a load of "horsesh*t", Mick, for an otherwise reeasonable person you have shown your ignorant self here in this thread... No offense intended but, geeze Louise, no one here has threatened to take ***your*** guns away yet you have gotten all self righteuos and like beardedbruce invented stuff that you think other people have said... This is "horsesh*t" of the highest nitogen content... I mean, like steamy stuff...

I mean, let all of us get real here... We in the US have a major problem with violence and murder and maiming and all that bad stuff that the rest of the world is warned about before they come here as tourists but rather than look at statistics and other models we just plung ahead in our best John Wayne mentality and continue the same behavior expecting different results...

(But, Bobert, that is because we have so many poor people...)

Well, okay, that may be part of the problem but I ain't seen the knee-jerk gunnies over at the "Poverty in the US" thread with any thoughts about how to deal with that problem... And nor do I believe that the situation is that simplistic..

Gun violence permiates our society... It's not just poor people thou it's always easy to blame them for everything that is wrong with our social structure...

Bottom line is that something is very wrong with our society and when we look at other societies who have imposed regulations on gun ownership we find less murders and that ain't the opinion of mad man ranting into the night but reality....

You can hear "We wnat to take your gun" or you can hear "Lets talk about something that makes us both happy" but, no matter how longf you gunnies want to put this coversation off, its time ***will*** come...

bearded bruce,

Okay, even if I let you slide on yer bad habit of trying to change an argument to words that you opponent didn't say, then lets look at your argument, unfair as it is...

The 1st Ammendment is the crux of Thomas Jefferson's vision of democracy in that he said that the survivabilty of out denmocracy was based on an "informed electorate" and therefore he would, IMO, look as the internet as something that represented what he and the Founding Fathers would think as goodIMO, would view it as a means of spreading the information that an "informed electorate" would need to have....

Now back to my oroginal argument that has nothing to do with the other 9 Amendments contained in the Bill of Rights... When Thomas Jefferson and his felloe Framers wrote the Bill of Rights it is my opinion that they nevr thought that folks would either be able to break down the ***sentance*** as to not tie the right to bear arms to a standing militia... Not, IMO, could they have fast-forwrded to a time when they thought they were perserving a nation's right to maintain an armed militia would mean having millions and millions of folks packin' 9mms.... I think this is a major stretch of historical interpretation... I mean, lets get real here... Handguns were for an occasional duel in those times...

Bottom, line, like I've said, there will come a time when our nation will have to have this discussion... Like the knee-jerk hawks who think that the Iraq inavsion and occupation is okay, the knee-jerk gunnies will also have to eventually be brought to the negotiating table...

But, until then, feel free to blame me for your inabilites to comprhend what folks are trying to tell you... I'm getting purdy uesd to it here in Mudville...

Bobert