reading captain birdseye post I think is what makes the nitty gritty of "folk clubs" work, I am all for people picking up an instrument or voice and doing their party piece, however tortuous on the ear, so long as they don't think they are "God's gift to music", I am all for inclusivity my two beefs are people who think they are too good to be in with the hoi poloi and people who think they are too good to be in with the hoi poloi and are not. Having said all that, yes, I do cringe sometimes but I eat sprouts at christmas dinner cos its part of the package (bad form to refuse)