So Greg, do you do whitewater kayaking? I'm sure that Class III rapids and up would be a nightmare in my kayak. It just isn't designed for that....you would need a much shorter, flatter bottomed, wider boat. I've yet to try that although my husband's best friend's wife has a boat like that...she's going to be introducing me to some rougher water later this summer (if my courage remains..LOL). And if you are doing whitewater, do you do the rock gardens? I've watched many videos on YouTube where they look like great fun and others look like a death trap...