Drop in here and lurk, even if you don't feel like posting, Villan.

Myself, I never worry too much about the way people get a bit unpleasant from time to time here - it always seems to die down. No doubt our friendly clones play a significant part in that - there are different ways of moderating a forum, and the Mudcat is in fact moderately moderated. But I prefer a place where we can talk about everything and not feel it's got to be on topic - and also the fact that it's not particularly geared towards the UK, or for that matter the USA or anywhere else.

And there's a good few people I'd really miss, and remarkably few I'd enjoy missing. (And the two you mention wouldn't be among them, even if they can get a bit stroppy at times.)