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Thread #61462 Message #2060852
Posted By: DMcG
25-May-07 - 02:02 PM
Thread Name: Origins: A methodology for dating songs etc.
Subject: RE: Origins: A methodology for dating songs etc.
In his 09 Sep 03 - 08:48 AM post, McGrath of Harlow wrote "...all that a reference to a particular event or name can prove is that any version of the song that includes that does not precede a particular date".
If I understand this point correctly, it means that if a rhyme {or a song} includes a referent to an actual event, we know that it couldn't have been composed before that event occurred. Is that what you meant?
As I read McGrath's comment, not quite. There is a difference between a song that almost entirely about an event, like a battle, and one that contains a reference to it. Certainly, that *specific version* can't be older than the event, but basic song could be. This is particularly the case with children's rhymes, which are much more about the children entertaining themselves than about telling a specific story. As a result, the basic song can be appreciably older than any passing reference it has picked up.