George and Mike, I take the point but who is thrusting them into the limelight? Why don't they graduate and then build a reputation for themselves, when was the last time a "Starred First" was given the Chair of a faculty upon graduation? Perhaps they are being driven before they have been broken to the harness. perhaps they ought to be Mentored by an old hand, like training plough horses. OK, so I had a bad experience with an arrogant oik, I shall put that behind me and try to look through the mists of youth, after all, someone has to make allowances it may as well be me.