I apologise anyway. Seems best. I've contributed little to the thread (there's a surprise!), but gained a lot from the discussions, which thankfully have remained civil. But I see a great divide, the one Diane pointed towards several screenfuls further up, i.e. in the understanding of what is "traditional" on either side of the Atlantic. And it strikes me that this does not actually require bridging, even if that were possible. The two worlds have gone their own ways for the last 300 years or so, despite the links between tem. So, to compare the legitimacy of the term "traditional" when applied to each other's "old" material, serves little purpose. I.e. this is a discussion that can only make sense withing the confines of a single culture.