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Thread #18699   Message #2094619
Posted By: Slobbo
05-Jul-07 - 08:54 AM
Thread Name: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
Warning ... topic drift, verbose mode and rude word

Just a comment on John in Brisbane post 7 years ago. Please don't take that glossary too seriously. There are local or parochial variations within Lancashire which can involve a chap from Breightmet being unable to understand a chap from Whalley about 25 miles away. The Lancashire dialect/regional English is like most abstractions merely a convenient simplification which is adequate only when 'that which is the case' is represented/recorded or described at a specific level of 'granularity'.

for example 'u(t)ch' only occurred in my parochial part of Bolton as 'u(t)ch up' meaning "move along and make some space for a person to squeeze in" and Grammar School english teachers enlightened me to the non-metaphoric meaning of 'shoddy' which was only used as shabby, second rate or inferior quality, "oni't'posh b*ggerz new it wer a cloffe".

Some of the words he uses as Lancashire were only common with those of recent Irish connections. As a product of protestant schools I never mixed with catholics and so found them as strange at the kids from a professional and richer background I met for the first time at university. Perhaps, like Glasgow, there were distinct sectarian flavours to the pre-standardised ways of speaking as well as more localised variations within Lancashire.

These varieties of Lancashire could allow the development of a linguistic repertoire which would probably have included a 'stage/performance' or even entertainment variation of Lancashire. This is what I suspect was served up by professional Lankies in both the music hall and the party piece. This could be as different from the speech patterns of the ordinary folk as that of the people in the professions who identified with Lancashire and as capable of modulation so that we could laugh at the oddities of them strangers who were our near neighbours. Many of the Lancashire routines, whether in song, monologue or recitative include opportunities for subtle parochial caricatures and satire.

Perhaps people would like to allow further topic drift and consider the nuances of "Paul Calf" Steve Coogan's Manchester City supporting character.

or terse mode ....vocabulary lists are kakky.

('kakky' (adj.) ***** possibly possibly a slightly surreal blending of kaggy meaning clumsy and khaki meaning brownish, dusty or earth coloured derived from from the word Ka-ka the act of or product of the evacuation ones bowels, where the conceptual geography includes all those areas not adequately covered by '(taking a)dump'.