Ron:

A fair question, (for our leaders, not for me). How you define a win and how I define a win, Ron, very likely depend on how we define the war. As I implied above, I think we're fighting an ideological war AND a physical one. We have to win the ideological war, and we have to save face on the physical one, both of which are pretty do-able, given a half confident/ competent administration.

Recently (Yesterday) NPR broadcast the opinions of a former jihadi, a young British citizen with Pakistani background, who for years was one of the screaming loonies. Check out what he had to say on the npr.org website. I believe his name was Butt.

Robo