I don't really get whats being talked about. its not really music that's being sold here - its something else.

Spot on WLD - You do yourself an injustice - it is indeed not music that we are talking about so you have 'got it' - In one!

I have just the same views of the stock cube and watering can stable as you. I am sure there must be exceptions but generaly it is an 'image' rather than the music or the artist that is being sold. In fairness I think Kylie has probably grown out of it now as have, potentialy some others. But SAW were not the only exponents - Who, for instance, manufactured Sheena Eastham?

Before we get too far from the thread though the question really is - Is it right? Whether we would call it music or not (It's life, Jim, but not as we know it) is it right that we should allow, even encourage, the undermining of the female struggle to be taken seriously with this kind of trite display? WHat can we do about it anyway?

I don't want it to be about whether the music is good, bad or indifferent, or about the struggle between contemporary and traditional music. There are plenty of threads out there already on those topics. Simply as the opening post said.

Is it right?

Cheers

Dave