Good point WLD - Just shows that a bit of lateral thinking can bring about a bit of, well, lateral thinking:-) I must say I hadn't noticed the similarity between what I consider poor music in the mainstream and the same in the folk clubs!

If you look at the good from both sides, say, from last nights show, the Foo Fighters and from the 'tradition', one I know you will agree with, John Kelly, neither feel the need to disguise what they are doing as anything other than what it is. Yet the old bloke with the arran sweater using his 'knowledge' to hide the fact he cannot sing for toffee is, in fact, using a diversionary tactic. Just like the scaty dull sops (anagram competion to me I think...) You know - There are some people I will never look in the same light again:-)

I agree entirely that there are these diversionary tactics everywhere, and that includes the contemprary singer sonrwriter genre, but can I ask a favour of you? When I said I did not want the thread to be about good or bad music etc. I did mean just that. I realy wanted this to be a discussion of the dichotomy in female representation that I mentioned before. I would be quite happy to enter into a discussion about good and bad etc. but would you please start a seperate thread about it so we can keep this on topic. Many thanks.

Cheers

Dave