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"(WASHINGTON, D.C.) --- U.S. Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND) said Tuesday he's offering an amendment to remove the guest worker provision from the immigration bill because it is "part of the agenda to put downward pressure on the wages of American working men and women."

                I got this off the senator's web-site. I'm not sure which Tuesday they're talking about, but it was during the time the Senate was debating the immigration bill.

                  And you're right. It is constructive to have a discussion that doesn't degenerate into ideology. It's rare, it seems, and refreshing.