Bill, I suspect that the basic problem here (the failure we have to communicate effectively with one another) is due to one simple habit that all we humans engage in.

We're so busy thinking about the particular points that we ourselves most want to make...that we usually fail to clearly grasp and appreciate the points others want to make...and we don't comprehend the motives and concerns that drive them, because we are occupied in comprehending our own motives and drives, and that takes up most of our energy and thought.

And I don't think I have the time to solve that conundrum. ;-) So I give up too. But not because I'm upset or anything. I just honestly don't have enough time to give it all proper attention right now, so I'd by wasting your time and mine trying to figure it out. And it probably wouldn't change anything anyway, would it? No, for sure it wouldn't.

Anyway, there are lots of other people here who seem to want to talk about it, so you'll never run out of dialogue on the matter. ;-)

We mutually surrender, Bill. It just ain't worth the bother.