While I read most political threads down here in the abyss, I rarely venture a comment, as I am unlikely to change anyone's mind , nor to have mine changed.

However, in this instance, I must plead with those here assembled to get back to Mick's main point, as I see it. The current administration and its goons are desecrating the Constitution and its intent by their very actions.

We're not talking about immigrants, legal or otherwise, but human beings who have the absolute right to be left alone unless they are blatently commiting an illegal act, for which act there must be some iota of evidence to demonstrate same.

I grew up in the 40s and 50s. One clear message I got from the TV programs of that time was that only in foreign despotic countries were citizens required to show their "papers" to the police. Such a practise was clearly "unamerican."

Now, when I need to go to the local IRS (they're all really nice helpful folks there) or to Social Security (my age), I try to leave most of the metal in my pockets in the car so as to make getting through the checkpoint easier. Of course with a pacemaker, I can't just wlk through the gate, but have to be "wanded" with due care. This of course, means that they forget to ask for an ID.

All this latter stuff aside, bear in mind -- when YOU have to produce "papers" for any official, it will be too late to change anything -- Tom