"Bill, this is not an immigration problem, granted there is that problem though."
....well, Barry,this thread shows that the problems are intertwined. We cannot possibly discuss one without being aware of the other. If all people are saying to me is 'this thread is not the place to discuss 'X', when 'Y' is the issue, I must respectfully disagree...and others have posted about the whole scope of various sides of the issue.

If the government IS indeed " trampling of civil rights & liberties ", then of course we need to both protest and get it stopped!

Up above, I see Joe Offer saying he finds support for the worst of these accusations only in a couple places. Are some papers and websites ignoring the truth? Just how widespread IS this detaining of folks without warrent or judicial procedure?
   I am off to read more about the assertions....admitting up front that even one instance would be too many.