Really means that you have no discussion that results in what you want to have happen.
No, it means that I realise we have so little common ground that no case I put up will have the slightest effect on anything you think. Your bizarre, over the top response reinforces that view.
My previous interventions in this thread had only been to chide both sides of the debate for their failure to understand the other's point of view and tailor their arguments accordingly; rather the original subject of the thread I feel.