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So there's no point to voting dem in 08 if the war is not over and it will definitely NOT be over. No one trusts them to manage this war and they don't trust themselves.]]

Don't know how to break it to you, but the 'war' is not the only important issue in this upcoming election. While none of the Dems except Edwards and Kucinich are yet proposing the kinds of changes we need to out health care "system," pretty much all the Dems would probably do more to improve it than the Republicans would. And several Democratic candidates would probably do things like fixing (or backing out of) NAFTA and GATT, supporting organized labor, dealing with global warming, stopping the hemorrhaging of American jobs, etc., too -- at least better than Guiliani, Romney, etc.

Probably the single biggest reason we need a non-Republican President in 2008 is that Ginsburg and Stevens will probably resign from SCOTUS (if they don't die first). Possibly Breyer too.    Another Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, John Roberts, or Sam Alito on the court could do irrevocable damage to our nation, our democracy, and the earth as habitable for humans.