Alice, I agree with you.

i think where some are coming from is a bit like Mr. Shrub in reverse, i.e. if you're not against us, we'll take that as approval.

Joe, isn't the argument, that gay marriages undermine the 'conventional families are the bedrock of democracy' view, by making that view a choice rather than fundamental?

homosexuality is said to be anti-Biblical if nothing else, but then I never seem to hear the pro-life lobby objecting to wars on the same 'life-is-sacred' grounds.

There's an awful lot of cherry-picking involved.





       Ivor






       Ivor