I believe I HAVE refuted that. Are you sure I was addressing you? What DID YOU SAY in the post previous that I was responding to?
MY COMMENT:So you would advocate legalizing murder so that illegal murders would not occur?
IN RESPONSE TO: "a vote against legal abortion is a vote for illegal abortion."
MY COMMENT:AS I HAVE STATED, The point being ignored is that the pro-life folks are of the opinion that the fetus is a human being. UNLESS you discuss this, you leave the idea that murder is ok, as long as it is someone YOU think is not human- like Jews, Gypsies, handicapped, old folks, fetuses, etc.
IN RESPONSE TO: "Think for yourself what REALLY happens in the REAL world. "
My comment:You mean like in Germany, from 1939 to 1945?
My Comment:Oh, YOU mean the world as YOU want to have it be.
MY COMMENT:IF the fetus is human ( and *** I *** have not stated it is, from conception: Without brain function, I have my doubts as to its humanity) THEN abortion **IS** murder. The fact that illegal murders will ocurr when we make murder illegal is NOT reason to keep it legal.
MY COMMENT:You mean like in Germany, from 1939 to 1945? .
MY COMMENT:The fact that you advocate a line of reasoning similar to the ones thga the Nazis did is not over the top:
MY COMMENT:1. *** I *** am not infallible: WHY DO YOU THINK YOU ARE???
IN RESPONSE TO: "In fact, since you are so absolutely certain of your own infallibility, I'm not sure why you are debating at all." YOU are the one claiming you KNOW something.
MY COMMENT:2. I am presenting a viewpoint I DO NOT claim to believe: BUT THE POINT THAT I AM TRYING TO MAKE is one that is NOT capable of being ignored IF one desires a resolution to the arguement.
MY COMMENT:Why are you here? It seems like you cannot consider any viewpoint, EVEN FROM THE ABSTRACT, IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE THINK A GIVEN WAY, other than those you have decided are correct: Is that why you claim such infallibility that you cannot engage in rational debate?
IN RESPONSE TO : "As I said, I don't think we have sufficient common ground to engage in rational debate"