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Thread #106010   Message #2190207
Posted By: Bobert
09-Nov-07 - 06:45 PM
Thread Name: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
Well, Carol, I'm not yet convinced... Yes, I read thr poll and if you look at the date of the poll and, more importantly, the other questions in the poll I believe that taking the Cheney response solely on it's own it not indicative... There is a trick that pollsters can play in asking the correct leadup questions to get a certain response to a certain question... I believe that was the case in this poll...

But never-the-less, what the Dems have done since that poll is laid the groundwork to win in '08 with a very distinct "brand" which emphasizes "solutions" and "non-partisanship"... The Repubs have lived at the ideology plate for a couple decades now and have won becuase they have come off as belieiving deeply in this or that... Behind the scenes the Dems have quietly figured out just what it is that can be used to counter the Repub success formuula... They used it effectively in '06 in not being sucked into the emotionalism of gay marriages and abortion by ignoring those questions and keeping things like income inequeity, health care, the economy, education and the environment as their swords... And it worked... It has just worked here in Virginia last week where the Dems retook the state Senate after being in the minority for over 2 decades!!!

Now, yes, I will allow that these gains are in part gains that they would have gotten if they did nothing because of the poor record of the Repubs but...

... they have been very disciplined and I do give them credit for that... And I give them credit for figuring out what their "brand" should be...

So, here's the rub... If half of their brand is non-partisanship then an attempted impeachment of Cheney would set half of what is working for them on fire... If that were to happen I can almost predict with a good amount of certainty that they will loose their shot at the White Hosue in '08...

My own opinion is that I can live with Cheney another 14 months... I think that Jim Webb and other Dems have the smarts to keep the Bush/Cheney War Machine checked as much as if the impeachment were to go forward... I also belive that I would rather fight with the Dems in Jan, '09 than fight with yet another arrogant Repub asdministration...

But like I said, if I feel this impeachement movement gather real steam, outside the progressive movement, I'm willing to jump in with both feet...

Until then, I'll stick with my position that we can hurt the Bush/Cheney War Machine more with Congressional investigations and hearings on the same details that would come out in an impeachment preceedings...

Bobert