Sorry Joe, I didn't mean to sound like I had you guys categorized and neatly boxed. I was exagerrating the approaches that I see in order to make a point. Using you and Bruce made it a little more concrete, as you make it clear your main intent is to get people singing, and if Bruce isn't well researched... well. I've no doubt all the Mudcaters are far more subtle than comes across on the monitor screen. Why even I have been known to get my foot out of my mouth and shoes on my feet.

Frank I.T.S.