Obama has the advantage, of course, of not having been in the senate when the vote on Iraq was taken. Hillary didn't do well by herself, I would certainly admit, but Obama has supported all of the war related stuff that came after.

                   To determine if Hillary was a neo-con, it seems to depend on the definition. I hadn't considered any non-Republicans to be neo-cons, though Joe Lieberman could certainly be put in that camp. Of course, he's an independant now.

                   It seems to me that Obama is at least, if not more, willing to pander to corporate interests than Hillary, which means CarolC is right. Kucinich is the only honest agent of "change."