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Thread #106771   Message #2239336
Posted By: Teribus
18-Jan-08 - 12:53 PM
Thread Name: BS: WMDs, Iran and Bush
Subject: RE: BS: WMDs, Iran and Bush
OK Bobert let's go through the list again shall we, just as an exercise in honesty:

1. ***C student in college but probably was closer to being a d student but rich kids get a favorable grading...(Bobert)

I take it Bobert that you would agree that an average of 77 puts the grade firmly in the C range (70 - 79). I think that you would also agree that 77 is closer to 80 than it is to 69, therefore your statement about his grade being closer to a D is factually and arithmetically wrong. You have yet not provided one single shred of evidence to suggest that, "rich kids get a favorable grading". Remove all the horse-shit from your original statement and you get:

"***C student in college."

That is factual and that is correct. The rest is your own invention and demonstrates your prejudice and bigotry.

2. ***AWOL from Texas Air National Guard...(Bobert)

Matter of record Bobert, so let's take a look at it. Please feel free to point out the errors:

a) Serving in the Air National Guard did not guarantee that you would not serve in Vietnam.

b) Normal period of service was six years during which guardsmen were required to accumulate a minimum of 50 points to meet their yearly obligation. That is a total of 300 points Bobert over that period of six years.

c) GWB joined the Guard in May 1968, immediately completed six weeks basic training, followed by fifty-three weeks of flight training, followed by twenty-one weeks of fighter-interceptor training. Let's see Bobert 6 + 53 + 21 = 80 weeks full time not week-ends.

d) May 1968 to May 1969 - Year 1 - Points earned by Lt G. W. Bush amounted to 253 (That equals just over five years service Bobert - minimum requirement at this stage is 50 points).

e) May 1969 to May 1970 - Year 2 - Points earned by Lt. G. W. Bush amounted to 340 (That equals almost 7 years service Bobert - GWB total at present stands at 593 points to satisfy the terms and conditions of his service the minimum required at this stage is 100)

f) May 1970 to May 1971 - Year 3 - Points earned by Lt. G. W. Bush amounted to 137 (That equals almost 3 years service Bobert - GWB total at present stands at 730 points to satisfy the terms and conditions of his service the minimum required at this stage is 150)

g) May 1971 to May 1972 - Year 4 - Points earned by Lt. G. W. Bush amounted to 112 (That equals just over 2 years service Bobert - GWB total at present stands at 842 points to satisfy the terms and conditions of his service the minimum required at this stage is 200)

h) May 1972 to May 1973 - Year 5 - Points earned by Lt. G. W. Bush amounted to 53 (That equals just over 1 year of service Bobert - GWB total at present stands at 895 points to satisfy the terms and conditions of his service the minimum required at this stage is 250)

i) May 1973 to July 1973 - Year 6 - Points earned by Lt. G. W. Bush amounted to 56 (That equals just over 1 year of service Bobert - GWB total at present stands at 951 points to satisfy the terms and conditions of his service the minimum required at this stage is 300)

j) In 1973 he requested early discharge to attend Harvard Business School. By July of that year he had accumulated 56 points, enough to meet the minimum requirement for the 1973-1974 year. His request was granted and he was given permission to go. Bush received an honourable discharge after serving five years, four months and five days of his original six-year commitment. During that time he had accumulated enough points in each year to cover six years of service, his actual accumulated points total equates to nineteen years service at the minimum 50 points per year.

Don't know about you Bobert but I would say that the Air National Guard got their moneys worth. No charge of AWOL was ever brought against Lt. G. W. Bush at any time during his service, therefore he can hardly be "guilty" of it, the honourable discharge that he received stands testament to that. The "Bush went AWOL" accusation is a Michael Moore myth that Bobert and his fellow travellers love to trot out and believe, purely because it panders to their prejudiced point of view. There is however absolutely no truth in it.

3. ***Given the Texas Rangers by his daddy and the team's profits went down...(Bobert)

From your ommission I take it Bobert that you have not been able to find any "evidence" to suggest that GHWB had anything to do with GWB's purchase of the Texas Rangers Team. Now if we are being honest here Bobert, that puts a bit of a hole in your, "Given the Texas Rangers by his daddy", theory. Plain truth is Bobert GWB bought into the Texas Rangers Team with his own money.

4 ***Given Harkin Energy by his daddy and he ran it into the ground right after taking $700,000 out of the kitty for himself...(Bobert)

Once again your silence speaks volumes. No evidence to indicate that GWB was, "Given Harkin Energy by his daddy", is there Bobert? Please be honest enough to admit it.

You do say that - "Bush did take out $700,000 for himself, thereby devaluing Harkin Energy". Not so Bobert, what GWB did was to sell his stock in Harkin Energy, somebody else bought it, therefore Harkin Energy was not devalued by as much as a penny in the transaction.

5 ***Cokehead and alcoholic (Bobert)

Evidence Bobert?

6 ***Convicted drunk driver and...(Bobert)
This happened in the 1970's if IIRC, in Maine. DUI was not a criminal matter in Maine at that time it was a traffic offence, a civil matter, there is therefore no criminal conviction and there is no criminal record. One can therefore quite rightly say that he was found guilty of DUI, but you cannot say that he was convicted of DUI, because to be convicted you have to charged with a crime, i.e, you have to have committed a criminal offence.